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submitted4 years agobyshawnadavis35F

So, points came out today and I see that Ive made the list for SSG. Does this mean that Im going to get picked up, or is there a possibility that my SGM is going to play fuck-fuck games with me (I just attended NCO of the month board, was told I was going to promotion board regardless of points)?

11C/00R/79S4 points5 points6 points4 years ago(4 children)

Well, are you on the SSG list or not? You say you went to NCO of the month. If you arent on the promotion list (check your ERB), it doesnt matter if you made the points or not.

35F[S]3 points4 points5 points4 years ago(3 children)

Yes I have the required points to be promoted. I am on the by name list that is put out every month by HRC. My concern is this my CSM says that reguardless of points that I have to go the board. Is that correct or incorrect?

11C/00R/79S2 points3 points4 points4 years ago(2 children)

Have you by any chance read AR 600-8-19? Yes you have to go before a Promotion Board. There are two by-name lists – one for who is eligible and one for who is on the promotion standing lists.

35F[S]0 points1 point2 points4 years ago(1 child)

I have, any as far as Im aware Im good to go. I didnt state, and this is my bad, that Im CLI right now and my MOS is accepting CLI for both SGT and SSG.

11C/00R/79S1 point2 points3 points4 years ago(0 children)

Yep, complete information helps a lot when you ask questions. We shouldnt have to drag it out of you.

top secret1 point2 points3 points4 years ago(0 children)

If you are on the by name list then congrats SSG – there isnt much your chain on command can do. obviously they can dick you around and not pin you – but youll still be an E6. Until you are up for E7 there is only one list put out every month.

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Please dont take this the wrong way, but how are you an E5 and not know how this works?

35F[S]3 points4 points5 points4 years ago(0 children)

because no one has really been able to explain it to me or anyone else that has asked. I know that if you have points that you get promoted but a lot of people dont know how the CLI works. All they know is that their name gets put out on a list and your CDR/1SG/PSGs get together and discuss if your promtable or not. but the fuzzy area is when you do make points and they circle yes do you still have to go to the promotion board if you are a CLI MOS that all you have to have is the minimum points to get promoted or are they good to go get stuff sewn on their uniforms and such for the 1st of the next month. But my main question is can my CSM force me to go the board to make me get promoted

1 point2 points3 points4 years ago(1 child)

Welcome to 35F, where E5 and E6 are pretty much automatic and have been for years.

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0 points1 point2 points4 years ago(5 children)

How many points do you have?What are the points for 35F now?Have you attended the Promo board in the past?Do you qualify for ALI? (Automatic promotion)

35F[S]1 point2 points3 points4 years ago(0 children)

Yes for ALI, 14 points and I have gone to the NCOs of the month board but not promotion board. I saw my points on my erb after my appearance there

35F[S]1 point2 points3 points4 years ago(0 children)

Yes for ALI, 14 points and I have gone to the NCOs of the month board but not promotion board. I saw my points on my erb after my appearance there and the point needed are 14

1 point2 points3 points4 years ago(2 children)

Firstly, if you have been integrated into the ALI then you have 39 points. Second, if the points are bare minimum then you should get picked up on the list.

But if your CoC so choses they can remove you from ALI; However, its a painful process ( they shouldnt have let you be integrated in the first place if they dont want you promoted).With that said, if your CSM gets you boarded before the 1st, then your ALI points dont matter amd your points worksheet will have to be completed.

If you BOLO the board, you can be barred; if you decline the board, you can be barred; if you pass the board, all will be well.

Additionally, I dont think there is anything you can do to get out of the board if they tell you to go.

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They would have 14 points for SSG. And its CLI now.. Just FYI

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HOT NEWS – Automatic Promotion List for SSG

SGTs IN ALL MOSs WHO MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY INTEGRATED ONTO THE PROMOTION STANDING LIST, IF NOT DENIED BY THE COMMANDER, AND ARE OTHERWISE ELIGIBLE FOR PROMOTION CONSIDERATION, DESPITE LACKING ACTUAL BOARD APPEARANCE:

(1)83 MONTHS TIS(TO BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR PROMOTION AT 84 MONTHS).

(2)11 MONTHS TIG(TO BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR PROMOTION AT 12 MONTHS).

(3) OTHERWISE NOT INELIGIBLE IN ACCORDANCE WITH AR 600-8-19.

(4) NOT OTHERWISE DENIED BY THE CDR.

(5) SOLDIER MUST HAVE A MINIMUM OF 90 DAYS REMAINING SERVICE AS OF THE MONTH OF INTEGRATION ONTO THE RECOMMENDED LIST. (IF PROMOTED, SOLDIERS INCUR A ONE-YEAR SERVICE REMAINING REQUIREMENT).

B: ALL SOLDIERS AUTOMATICALLY INTEGRATED ONTO THE SSG RECOMMENDED LIST WILL:

(3) HAVE A CURRENT APFT AND WEAPONS QUALIFICATION OR EXCEPTION.

(4) RECEIVE THE MINIMUM PROMOTION SCORE (450 POINTS).

(5)NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO ADD PROMOTION POINTS.

(6) NOT BE AWARDED ADDITIONAL POINTS BASED ON THE AIRBORNE OR OTHER DA ANNOUNCED ADVANTAGE.

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what does this mean to people who are on the list because Im sure there is no real chance of actually getting promoted with this program right.

Up until recently, my MOS was 450pts for SSG.

So if someone was in long enough, they would automatically get promoted.

The big deal with this milper message is the parts that ArmyReenlistment highlighted.

They can be in long enough and have enough time to make the auto list. Then if they have more than 90days left they Can be promoted to SSG. If they get promoted they AUTOMATICALLY have to stay in another year..

If someone is ON the auto list, they can NOT add promotion points- they have to go to the board first and get a 3355..

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Alright someone break this down barney style for me. Im a SGT(P) Sitting at 545 promotion points ive got 22 months time in service. would this apply for me if the CO approves it?

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Alright never mind reread it got excited I see what its saying now. Its just puts you in promotable status with 450 points sorry bout that now ill take the idiot card for the day.

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Alright someone break this down barney style for me. Im a SGT(P) Sitting at 545 promotion points ive got 22 months time in service. would this apply for me if the CO approves it?

Correct me if Im wrong but you say you are a

I am so confused by your tactics. Take it from someone who got promoted to SSG with 2 waivers you have a way to go. If you are expecting to get put on this automatic promotion list you have a

long time to go. You my friend are not ready for the next step. Give it a few more years before you start worring about it.

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I dont know about any other units but in 3-69 3rd ID automatic promotable doesnt mean anything until the points drop to 350 for SGT or 450 for SSG. Then all of a sudden it means something. I wish I would have never got on the list because I get tired of being told it doesnt mean anything to be promotable unless you have been to the board. If it doesnt mean anything just do away with it. Dont tell a person he is promotable then tell him it doesnt mean anything.

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You are promotable, but it means nothing until you EARN IT…i was the same way i became promotable through this but I never told anyone hey guys im promotable, I have 450 points b/c my cut off is always high 700s…

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I dont go around saying that Im promotable or feel that Im any better than any other SGT. I was trying to help. We have this 24 hour guard duty we have to do that requires one SGT(P) or above and one Soldier. We have three SSGs and one board promatable SGT(P) so some shifts it was me and one of the SSGs or the real SGT(P) on the same shift. So I told the SSG that Im promotable and that I didnt see any reason they could not give me a Soldier to pull the shift with me so they would not have to pull double shifts everyday. The SSG thought it was a good idea so he gave me my first shift. Here comes a SFC and says there has to be a SGT(P) or above on this guard. I responded with Im a SGT(P). He said have you been to the board. I said no of course. He said it does not count then. This is my fourth deployment so I do feel that I have EARNED IT.

I dont go around saying that Im promotable or feel that Im any better than any other SGT. I was trying to help. We have this 24 hour guard duty we have to do that requires one SGT(P) or above and one Soldier. We have three SSGs and one board promatable SGT(P) so some shifts it was me and one of the SSGs or the real SGT(P) on the same shift. So I told the SSG that Im promotable and that I didnt see any reason they could not give me a Soldier to pull the shift with me so they would not have to pull double shifts everyday. The SSG thought it was a good idea so he gave me my first shift. Here comes a SFC on his first deployment and says there has to be a SGT(P) or above on this guard. I responded with Im a SGT(P). He said have you been to the board. I said no of course. He said it does not count then. This is my fourth deployment so I do feel that I have EARNED IT.

Some people get their skivvies in a bind over what amounts to trivial matters. Not saying that guard duty is trivial, but splitting hairs over what counts as a real (P) status is just silly. Of course, thats just my opinion, which doesnt really count for much.

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deployment does not equal promotable…obviously it sets you apart from your peers that have not deployed or have deployed less than you…but being deployed does not make you promotable, so if you have not gone to the board technically you have not earned that promotable status like the people that have gone to the board, you are promotable regardless, and for duty rosters you should fall as SGT (P) but see where im getting at…you havent earned that (P)….

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TransAm95NCO I understand what your saying and I agree 100%. Maybe I will make it to a board one day. I have trouble memberizing information and I get very nervous around people that Im not around daily so I dont know if I will ever earn it that way but I am going to try harder.

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Okay, One question. I meet the TIS June and am elgible in July (84mths TIS). Im good TIG. Want I want to know is say July the points for my MOS drops to 450, but from what Im being told by my Rater is that my MOS has to have a star by it on the promotion list in order for me to be promoted. Now when I read this Milper message (which I realised was put out Feb 2008) it says nothing of your MOS having to have a star saying that it will except automatic promotion listees. That is what is being told to me. So I am asking for clarification if this is true. I went to the message itself and read it over and over and nothing about this. It just says as long as you meet the criteria stated in ArmyReenlistments Blog that you will provided the commander hasnt refused you and your points drop to 450 you will get the promotion. Any information would be helpful. Ive seen one person who made E-5 through automatic list and I remember everyone having a cow. However it is up to the Commander. If he believes the soldier is ready then he deserves the promotion whether a board proceeding happened or not. In a sense that would be a like a board because I do remember the soldier being brought into the commanders office about the promotion list. I am typing this in response to some of the other blogs on here. The board is not everything. In actuality the board proceedings are unnecessary in the fact that… say give an NCO or Soldier who works 3 different jobs, has numerous soldiers and excels in everything but as soon as he gets to the board he freezes. Now hes not promotable. Then take another NCO or Soldier who is mediocre and goes into the board and walks out 5 minutes later with saying or doing nothing more then just walking in. Now hes promotable. How is that fair. Theres alwasy more to the story then what you see on his ERB. So he went to the board and he earned it is wrong. You earn it by doing your job and gaining the respect of your subordinates and peers and your Officers. If they say he is ready and do not deny him and he makes the promotion list, then he has earned it. Thats the way I see it. Yes you can say that well the Commander may have not noticed it, well then that means the Training room NCO missed it, The 1sg missed, the Battalion s1 missed it and so on. It goes through other peoples hands before it gets to the commanders hands for recommendation. Lots of people to influence the whole soldier not just whether he went to the board or not. Thats just my opinion, take it for what its worth. Thankyou for anyone who is able to highlight my question so I can clarify it with my Rater.

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ArMyDaD_of_2 From my understanding of the system when your points drop to 350 for SGT or 450 for SSG your MOS is automaticly a star MOS. But that does not mean that you will get promoted just because you make cut off. It depends on how many people the Army needs to promote and how many people are ahead of you to get promoted. They will promote the people that has been to the board and only scored 350 first then they will start on the automatic list. You are also right about some people and I am saying some not all that go to the board. Just because they pass a board doesnt make them a good NCO. I still respect the Soldiers that go to the board because they have done something that so far I have not been able to bring myself to do. My Rater says Im a hard worker and I think he thinks Im a good NCO. I learn something new everyday and have a lot more to learn because the Army is always coming out with new and better, well not always better, things for me to work on. Im a M1 mechanic by the way. Hope this helps and thanks for your input.

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Army Directive 2017-28, signed Dec. 7, 2017, aims to ensure that in the future, enough Soldiers in the grades specialist and sergeant will be integrated onto the promotion-recommended list for promotion to sergeant or staff sergeant. The result will be that more fully-qualified Soldiers get to see promotion, and the Army gets to fill leadership slots.

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WASHINGTON — This month, the Army could have selected for promotion over 8,700 additional Soldiers to either sergeant or staff sergeant across more than 90 military occupational specialty and grade combinations.

Because not enough Soldiers are integrated on the promotion-recommended list, the Army was unable to fill available positions with Soldiers of these grades. Army personnel data, for instance, shows that less than 20 percent of specialists who were otherwise fully qualified and who met Army standards to be recommended for promotion to the rank of sergeant, were actually integrated on a promotion list.

A new Army policy released earlier this month aims to ensure that in the future, enough Soldiers will be integrated onto the list. The result will be that more fully-qualified Soldiers get to see promotion, and the Army gets to fill leadership slots.

When leaders at the headquarters level see these integrated promotion list trends, there is a perception and concern that 80 percent of the specialists have no potential to be sergeants in the Army, said Gerald J. Purcell, who serves as the personnel policy integrator within Army G-1s directorate for military personnel policy.

We are sure this is not the case, Purcell said. However, to enhance the selection process and ensure it is more competitive, fair and equitable for our Soldiers and the Army, we made changes to the relative policies.

Purcell said the changes do not lower promotion standards. Instead, he said, they afford fully qualified, quality Soldiers the opportunity to perform at higher ranks. Additionally, he said, the changes enable the Army to maximize the unique talents of those Soldiers.

Our policies must support an Army commitment to retain the talented men and women we have accessed and trained, Purcell said. These Soldiers are our future.

Now, the Army has codified changes to the semi-centralized promotion process to ensure that more Soldiers appear on the promotion recommendation list than have in years past. The changes affect Soldiers in the Regular Army as well as Soldiers in the Army Reserve (Active Guard Reserve.)

Under the new policy, every Soldier in the primary zone for promotion, and who is also fully qualified and meets Army standards for promotion to the next rank, is required to appear before a local promotion board.

Appearance before a local promotion board is mandatory for all Soldiers upon initially reaching primary zone eligibility, reads an Army directive, signed by Secretary of the Army Dr. Mark T. Esper, which spells out the new policy. All Soldiers approved for promotion list integration will be integrated into the promotion recommended list with all earned promotion points.

The semi-centralized promotion process — which is how specialists become sergeants, and how sergeants become staff sergeants — requires that commanders recommend fully qualified Soldiers to go before a local promotion board when they display potential to perform at the next higher grade.

Soldiers who do well at that local board are then placed on the promotion recommended list, or PRL. The Army uses the PRL to select Soldiers for the next pay grade, based on how many promotion points a Soldier has earned. There are no changes to how promotion points are calculated, Purcell said.

For a Regular Army or Army Reserve Soldier to be deemed fully qualified, they must, among other things, have a high school diploma or GED, have a passing score on their Army Physical Fitness Test, meet weight standards, and not be involved in the Army Substance Abuse Program as a result of a command referral.

For specialists seeking promotion to sergeant, they must also have completed Structured Self-Development level 1. For Soldiers seeking promotion to staff sergeant, they must have completed SSD level 2.

Specialists reach the primary zone for promotion to sergeant at 35 months time in service, and 11 months time in grade. Sergeants reach the primary zone for promotion at 71 months time in service, 17 months time in grade.

These policy changes do not equate to automatic promotions, said Purcell.

Nevertheless, Purcell said, the changes are expected to reinforce a Soldiers responsibility for taking charge of their careers and opens the opportunity to position themselves for advancement.

Some Soldiers who go before that local promotion board may not get a recommendation to the PRL. If that happens, those Soldiers must be counseled on why they were not recommended.

Counseling must identify what Soldiers must do to improve their knowledge, skills, and attributes and to prepare themselves for increased responsibility, reads the directive. The counseling also must address the consequences of not being integrated into the promotion recommended list. This policy change enhances leader and professional development by reinforcing and getting the most out of existing counseling requirements.

Eventually, all fully qualified Soldiers who meet Army standards, but have not yet been recommended by a promotion board for inclusion on the PRL, will be integrated onto the PRL through a new mandatory list integration requirement.

For specialists, that mandatory list integration comes at 47 months time in service, 23 months time in grade. For sergeants, it comes at 83 months time in service, 23 months time in grade.

Commanders will not have the ability to stop mandatory list integration, however, when a commander feels a Soldier has no promotion potential, they must use the bar to continued service, along with counseling, to keep them off the promotion list.

The Army Directive makes it clear that unit leaders are responsible for training and developing Soldiers for increased levels of responsibility by the time a Soldier attains promotion eligibility in the primary zone. The newly established mandatory list integration policy, one full year following primary zone eligibility, reinforces an up-or-out Army system.

Retention of Soldiers with no potential is inconsistent with Army service, Purcell said.

The bar to continued service puts those Soldiers identified as having no potential on notice that their continued service may not be in the Armys best interest.

Soldiers who reach the secondary zone for promotion — which is earlier than the primary zone — and who are also fully qualified, will still need to be recommended to a promotion board by their commanders.

There are not enough Soldiers integrated onto the recommended list for us to promote to actual requirements, said Purcell. We want to promote Soldiers by military occupational specialty, but they are not there to promote.

What Purcell said he and his team perceived was that unit leaders may opt to only recommend the best of the best of their Soldiers to appear before a local promotion board — which is completely understandable. But often, that practice excludes many other quality Soldiers who are also fully qualified for promotion.

Additionally, having local standards for who should be recommended to go before a promotion board creates an uneven playing field for Soldiers across the Army when it comes to advancement.

If a commander at Unit Alpha, for instance, sets the bar extremely high for his board recommendation, and across the country at Unit Bravo, another commander sets the bar just slightly lower, then its possible for a Unit Bravo Soldier to get promoted over a more qualified Soldier from Unit Alpha — because the Unit Alpha Soldier was never recommended to a board, and thus, never had his name appear on a PRL.

The commanders look at Soldiers and they recommend their best people for promotion, Purcell said. But, there is this perception among Soldiers that the leaders at the company level are not being fair. I think thats not the case. What I think is happening is unit leaders are thinking the best people in their unit should be promoted. But what happens is when one limits those individuals at the unit level to the best, there is no robust list for us at the department level to select the best in the Army as opposed to the best in ones unit. Thats a big problem because it negatively impacts readiness and morale. Today, because there is no depth, as soon as a Soldier is recommended for promotion in many MOSs, they immediately make the cutoff score.

Under the new policy, every Soldier who reaches the primary zone and who is fully qualified, will have a shot at the next pay grade by competing against every other Soldier in their MOS, based on the promotion points they have earned.

What we are doing is enhancing Army readiness levels by strengthening the NCO Corps, said Purcell. We will do this in part by getting all fully qualified Soldiers who meet Army standards on the list so that when we pull all the names in from across the Army, we have a robust list that will allow us to … meet enterprise-wide requirements, and have enough people to meet competing demands.

That new process, Purcell said, places the responsibility on each individual Soldier to strive for increased promotion points. It also drives their behavior towards self-improvement. Additionally, because of the increased competition, the new promotion policy improves the overall selection process by ensuring the best qualified Soldiers are selected for promotion from a list of fully qualified Soldiers.

The Armys intent with the policy changes is threefold, Purcell said. The first intent is to improve Army readiness by addressing skill and grade shortages, the second is to enhance promotion rates, and the third is to further develop Soldiers.

The refined polices ensure fully qualified, quality Soldiers who meet Army standards, are afforded promotion opportunities. Conversely, the same policy denies continued service to those Solider who demonstrate no potential increased responsibility.

This strengthens our Army and our NCO Corps, Purcell said.

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