14-11 Temporary Profiles

A soldier with a temporary profile must take the regular three-event APFT after the profile has expired. (Soldiers with temporary profiles of more than three months may take an alternate test as determined by the commander with input from health-care personnel.) Once the profile is lifted, the soldier must be given twice the time of the profile (but not more than 90 days) to train for the APFT. For example, if the profile period was 7 days, the soldier has 14 days to train for the APFT after the profile period ends. If a normally scheduled APFT occurs during the profile period, the soldier should be given a mandatory make-up date.

My son is in the reserves. He has a temporary profile for his shoulders, yet even after presenting the profile, he was forced to take the APFT this last weekend. He failed, and was formally counseled for his failure, and told that it would be entered in his record. Additionally, he was told that he would have to take the test again in November, and if he failed again he would be again be counseled, and probably result in his receiving an Honorable Discharge. He was the distinguished grad from AIT in May, so does not want this on his record. Is this correct policy? Shouldnt he have been excused from the test until off profile, and then been given adequate time to prepare for the test? Apparently none of the guidance provided in this FM were followed.

Let your son know that he is alloted twice the time of his profile from the day it started to the day it ended. his chain of command is not allowed to give a record pt test until his recovery time has ended or he requests to take a recorded test. he may recieve a diagnostic pt test and if failed will recieve a counciling stateing he fail, but that does not go against him. that is for his info and to know what he needs improvement on. plainly it is illegal to give him a record pt test if he hasnt past his recovery time. tell him to speak to inspector general and file a lawful complaint. regulation; FM 21-20 chapter 14-11. that should fix the issue!

First of all to force a soldier with a profile is an unlawful order by the person who made this happen. He is in violation of not only regulation but of law. If that soldier reinjured himself while being made to perform a duty he was restricted from on a lawful profile, the person in charge of him is liable for those injuries. Any NCO in the military knows this.

Run it up the chain otherwise contact the inspector general.

I came off a temp profile on 8/4 and was placed on a permanent profile on 8/4. I was placed on the AFPT list to be tested on 8/15. I failed the walk. Under my temp profile, I was unable to walk during the time frame. I was told my test was a record test. I told my commander about my temp profile and ask about a recovery period. I was told because I did not let the tester know I wanted the test desiginated as being a diagnostic, it was marked as a record. This is the first time I to the test in 1.5 years due to my injury. Where do I stand on this? Should I contact the IG, considering my commander commented about starting separation paperwork?

I have a soldier with a temporary profile of not running (2mile) but complete way and time. This demands 100 points in the event. Punctuation which apply 60 or 100.

I am in the Reserves and have a TEMP profile for 3 months regarding my shoulders. My profile expires after drill weekend and can only do situps and walk. I have been briefed that there are new changes and according to the regulation, I still have to take an APFT with situps and walk only. Is this correct? Also, I heard they did away with recovery time. When did this take effect? Thank you.

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CFRTitle 5Chapter ISubchapter BPart 335Subpart A› Section 335.102

5 CFR 335.102 – Agency authority to promote, demote, or reassign.

335.102Agencyauthority to promote, demote, or reassign.

Subject to 335.103and, when applicable, topart 319of this chapter, anagencymay:

(a)Promote, demote, or reassign a career or career-conditionalemployee;

(b)Reassign anemployeeserving under a temporary appointment pending establishment of a register to a position to which his original assignment could have been made by the same appointing officer from the same recruiting list under the same order of consideration;

(c)Promote, demote, or reassign anemployeeserving under an overseas limited appointment of indefinite duration or an overseas limited term appointment to another position to which an initial appointment under 301.201 301.202, or 301.203of this chapter is authorized;

(d)Promote, demote, or reassign (1) a status quoemployeeand (2) anemployeeserving under an indefinite appointment in acompetitive position, except that this authority may not be used to move an employee:

(i)From a position in which an initial overseas limited appointment is authorized to another position; or

(ii)To a position in which an initial overseas limited appointment is authorized from another position; and

(e)Promote, demote, or reassign a termemployeeserving on a given project to another position within the project which theagencyhas been authorized to fill by term appointment;

(f)Make time-limited promotions to fill temporary positions, accomplish project work, fill positions temporarily pending reorganization or downsizing, or meet other temporary needs for a specified period of not more than 5 years, unlessOPMauthorizes theagencyto make and/or extend time-limited promotions for a longer period.

(1)Theagencymust give theemployeeadvance written notice of the conditions of the time-limited promotion, including the time limit of the promotion; the reason for a time limit; the requirement for competition for promotion beyond 120days, where applicable; and that theemployeemay be returned at any time to the position from which temporarily promoted, or to a different position of equivalent grade and pay, and the return is not subject to the procedures in parts 351, 432, 752, or 771 of this chapter. When anagencyeffects a promotion under a nondiscretionary provision and is unable to give advance notice to theemployee, it must provide the notice as soon as possible after the promotion is made.

(2)This paragraph applies to a career, career-conditional, status quo, indefinite, or termemployeeand to anemployeeserving under an overseas limited appointment of indefinite duration, or an overseas limited term appointment.

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79 FR 43919 – Nondiscrimination Provisions

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Temporary promotion rules

Q: Can management temporarily promote (non-competitively) an employee to the lower grade of a six/seven-graded position for 120 days? Are temporary promotions limited to the full-performance level only of a given position? What specific rules support or prevent such actions?

A: Temporary promotions are intended to meet the temporary needs of the agencys work program when those services cant be provided by other means.To be temporarily promoted, an employee has to meet the same qualification requirements that are needed for the permanent promotion. He or she receives the higher-graded salary for the period assigned and gains quality experience and time-in-grade at the higher grade level. The first 120 days can be made noncompetitively. In other words, the employee doesnt have to compete with other employees for the temporary assignment. If the temporary promotion is extended beyond 120 days, competition is required. The maximum time period for a temporary promotion is five years, unless OPM authorizes the agency to make and/or extend it for a longer period. If the temporary promotion that was originally made under competitive procedures, it can be extended up to five years without further competition.

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How many times can someone be temporarily promoted? For example, if someone was temporarily promoted for 120 days (non-competitively), do they have to wait a year before receiving another temporary promotion?

Yes. If the temporary promotion is extended beyond 120 days, competition is required.

What if they were returned to their lower grade after the 120? Can management temp promo them again say 90 days after the Change to Lower Grade, or would they have to wait a year?

No, they couldnt be promoted again. Theyd have to wait a year.

Does the wait a year mean from the start date or end date of the previous temp promo? For example if someone went into a temp promo on August 1, 2016 and ended on November 29, 2016 (120 days later) can they get another temp promo starting after August 1, 2017 or is it not until the end of November 2017?

The Department of Commerce has developed guidance that best answers your question.

How long can a person be temporarily promoted to a higher grade and position before they are entitled to be paid for serving in the higher position?

If a person is temporarily promoted to a higher grade, he is automatically entitled to the pay of that position. You ma be thinking of a temporary detail, which doesnt require a change in pay.

Can management hire a term employee under a temporary promotion NTE 120, if the employee doesnt have a career or career conditional appointment.

Yes, a term employee can be promoted, changed to lower grade, detailed or reassigned to other positions within the time limits of their term appointments to other positions which the management has determined appropriate for filling by term appointment.

In January, I applied for a promotion from a GS-12 to a GS-13 and made the certificate, then the federal hiring freeze hit. In March, I received a non-competitive temporary promotion NTE 120 days from a GS-12 to a GS-13 for the position that I had applied for in January. Now that the hiring freeze has lifted and a permanent, competitive selection can be made, on April 30, while serving in the non-competitive temporary promotion, I received a permanent competitive promotion to that exact same position.

My question is that my HR is telling me that since I was serving in the promotion in a non-competitive capacity, that I have to be demoted back to a 12 before I can be competitively promoted back to the 13, thus losing any time in grade that I have earned. But everything I can find online, including OPM, seems to indicate that I should not be demoted. Though the OPM guidance makes no mention of competitive and non-competitive.

According to OPM, you do not have to be returned to your lower graded position when youve been competitively selected for the higher graded position. Therefore, your time-in-grade would be continuous.

To qualify for a temporary promotion do you have to have a year at the next lower grade or can you just qualify based on the job you do. Like if I want to temp promote a GS 9 with only 9 month at that level can they still be qualified to be temp promoted at the 11 level.

Are you saying that if you are a GS13 you can get a temporary promotion to the next higher grade without having the 52 weeks if you have taken on the role/duties? Can you share with me where that is located? I have asked this question and I was told no, I did my own research on the OPM website and dont see it.

Yes, you can if you meet any of the exception criteria:

(a) Coverage. This subpart applies to advancement to a General Schedule position in the competitive service by any individual who within the previous 52 weeks held a General Schedule position under nontemporary appointment in the competitive or excepted service in the executive branch, unless excluded by paragraph (b) of this section.

(b) Exclusions. The following actions may be taken without regard to this subpart but must be consistent with all other applicable requirements, such as qualification standards:

(1) Appointment based on selection from a competitive examination register of eligibles or under a direct hire authority.

(2) Noncompetitive appointment based on a special authority in law or Executive order (but not including transfer and reinstatement) made in accordance with all requirements applicable to new appointments under that authority.

(3) Advancement in accordance with part 335 of this chapter up to any General Schedule grade the employee previously held under nontemporary appointment in the competitive or excepted service.

(4) Advancement of an employee from a non-General Schedule position to a General Schedule position unless the employee held a General Schedule position under nontemporary appointment in the executive branch within the previous 52 weeks.

(5) Advancement of an individual whose General Schedule service during the previous 52 weeks has been totally under temporary appointment.

(6) Advancement of an employee under a training agreement established in accordance with OPMs operating manuals. However, an employee may not receive more than two promotions in any 52-week period solely on the basis of one or more training agreements. Also, only OPM may approve a training agreement that provides for consecutive promotions at rates that exceed those permitted by 300.604 of this part.

(7) Advancement to avoid hardship to an agency or inequity to an employee in an individual meritorious case but only with the prior approval of the agency head or his or her designee. However, an employee may not be promoted more than three grades during any 52-week period on the basis of this paragraph.

(8) Advancement when OPM authorizes it to avoid hardship to an agency or inequity to an employee in individual meritorious situations not defined, but consistent with the definitions, in 300.602 of this part.

The agency that I work for has been only opening permanent promotions to the higher leadership and tell everyone who is GS-13 and below that they cant open any permanent slots for promotion because of sequestration. Only temporary promotions have been filled for the last three years. However, other directorates within the same command are filling permanent promotions on a regular basis. Is there any truth to not being able to permanently promote based on the sequestration or continuing resolution?

Agencies can control their spending in a variety of ways. Using temporary promotions rather than permanent is one of their options.

Does time in grade requirements apply to temporary promotions for less than 120 days? And if not, where can I find the regulation?

Yes,as long as you are converted to a permanent position without returning to the lower grade. In addition, the time spent on a temporary promotion would be considered creditable service in the calculation of your next WGI. Processing a permanent promotion without moving you back to the lower graded position doesnt change the date of the equivalent increase. Therefore, the waiting period starts on the date of the temporary promotion.

Can my temporary promotion be extended beyond 120 days if the position has been announced and currently pending permanent fill action?

Only if it is announced competitively and you are selected.

The position was announced competitively as a GS12, but I would not qualify as my temporary promotion is only GS9. Can my promotion be extended until the position is filled?

Can a supervisor deny an employee the opportunity to apply for a competitive temporary appointment (either detail or temp promotion)?

Understand that the act of applying can not be denied. If selected for a competitive temporary promotion can a supervisor deny the promotion opportunity to a full successful employee? Is the answer (either way) documented where that I can find it to share with an applicant?

Regulations tell you what you can do, not what you cant. If an employee has applied for a temporary promotion and is selected, no one can block that action.

I have just recently learned about this and am trying to get more information.

Currently I am a GS5 working in an office that has only 1 of 3 GS9 spots filled. I have for over a year now actively been responsible for a majority of the responsibilities that would normally fall under one of the 9 roles. This has been acknowledged by leadership and I have received multiple praises for my performance. One reason the 9 spots have remained empty is they are in the process of downgrading 2 of the positions to GS7s. My question is can I and if so how do I go about getting it documented that I have been performing at a 9 level in the absence of one being assigned and receive the pay of such.

Additionally, is there an avenue to fight for a promotion to the 7 or 9 level based on my performance over the past year or more?

How youve been performing your job isnt the issue. Its the assigned duties assigned in your job description. The only way to find out if those duties are at the GS-7 or GS-9 level is for your personnel office to conduct an audit of your position.

I have a question. I was unofficially temporarily promoted to a higher graded position for over 2 years. I had to take the matter to arbitration for having it documented officially and to get back pay.

If the arbitrators decision is in my favor and they make it official, does the 2 years count towards time-in-grade?

If it does, does that mean it counts towards my retirement as well?

Can a person be forced to work in a higher grade position without being temporarily promoted? For example, can management make a GS4 work in a GS7 position without temporarily the GS4 to GS7?

Yes, as long as the assignment is short-term.

Can you provide a reference, if someone has been forced to work at a higher grade for 2 years without pay or documentation? Commander (military) wrote a letter to the employee stating he will have to continue to perform the 13 as well as his 11 job, for no additional pay. There is no local HR to challenge this, and despite a request, no SF-50 issued to document it. I would like to be able to point the employee to a law/regulation on this issue.

I have a scenario similar to some of the above situations. I am a permanent GS-13 step 7, due for my WGI to step 8 on 18NOV2017. OPM rules state that increase is effective the following pay period, which would be 26NOV2017.

However, on 20AUG2017 I was detailed and temporarily promoted to GS-14 step 4 (2 step rule), and continue to serve in that position likely until 25NOV2017.

I have now been competitively selected for a permanent GS-14 position in the same geographic area, and my report date is being discussed as 26NOV2017. Based on time served, I expect to start at GS-14 step 5. I am concerned I may lose out on a step increase. Should I be? Thank you!

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I was working in an temp promotion position (TCS), then was temporary promoted to the next higher grade NTE 120 days. Upon the end of my temp promotion NTE 120 days, I was told I couldnt return to the grade I was prior to the temp promotion NTE, I would have to return to my permanent grade prior to my TCS. I never left the location Im in, however my SF 50 supports I went back to my home station was changed to a lower grade. Is this the proper procedure? If not, what reg should I reference?

I am in the second year of a NTE 3-5 years promotion. I went from GS12 to GS13 for the NTE. Since I have comepleted one year at the GS13, can I now apply and be considered non-competitively for a permanent GS13 position?

Youll have to check with your personnel office.

Can a lower grade be promoted if they are performing the next higher grade duties on a routine basis? Scenario: My supervisor has been away on and off for ongoing medical treatments for the past year. There are many work weeks where he only works 2 days or takes a week or two off a month for treatment. The result is that the burden of work and duties default to me when the incumbent is away. He is scheduled to retire in 5 to 6 months but the reality is that until then, I will be performing both mine and his duties (30 to 50% of the time) until then.

I would appreciate any guidance or references to this type of situation.

I am a Gs-4. For the last year and a few months, Ive taken on half of our secretaries duties, to include supply and contract management. Our secretary has decided to retire next yr. in Feb which is less than 4 months away. The store administrator has asked that she trained ME to take over. It doesnt bother me, but I feel I should be paid adequately.. please advise

Im not aware of any way your pay could be increased.

Hi What is the effect of the Hiring Freeze on a temporary promotion? Would an incumbent in a temporary promotion at the start of a hiring freeze simply be left in their position without the mandatory competition? See p. 5, Section B, part 3.

Also, it is well-settled that the while the initial temporary promotion can be managements mandate, what happens if the second 120-day temporary promotion is not competed and simply goes the managements designee? Sounds like a Prohibited Personnel Practice to me.

The answer to your question and your surmise are best answered by DoD, not this site.

I am an 1811 SSA/GS-13. My ASAC (GS-14 position) retired and I was filling the position for just under 120 days. No SF-50, no additional pay provided. Is this a temp promotion or a temp detail? Am I entitled to GS-14 pay? If so, does the agency have to pay me, or is it optional? Thank you!

Only your agency can answer that question.

I was temporarily promoted to a 13 and now a reassignment opportunity has come up for a 13. Is that something I am eligible for since technically I am a 13 at the moment?

Hi, I am a GS 13 step 4 eligible for a within-grade increase in 4 months to step 5. Ive now received a temp NTE one year promotion to grade 14 step 1. My questions are 1) Will I still get a step increase in 4 months to GS 13 step 5, which means I would then also be temporarily promoted to GS 14 step 2? 2) Also when I return in a year to a GS 13, will my one year of GS 14 count for anything, for example if I subsequently get a permanent promotion to GS 14 will my one year prior service as a GS 14 step 1 allow me to go to GS 14 step 2 any faster? Thanks

No, you wouldnt be temporarily promoted to GS-14 step 2. Yes, the time would count toward future step increases.

If a there is a temporary promotion to a GS14, how would it be handled to go permanent if the individual is 30% eligible veteran? Would the Veteran still have to compete?

what if you are a GS8 and take a non competitive detail of a position that is a GS6, what are the guidelines for that? There is no promotion or pay increase. How long could your detail be?

The detail of an employee from one position to another with no change in pay is an option available to each agency. As a rule, such details are for a maximum of 120 days.

Can I do details followed by NTE 120 days Temp Promotion?

Maybe or maybe not. Your agency is in the best position to answer that question.

My colleague left the agency after getting a GS-15 offer. His position was a GS-14. My supervisor with through great effort over a year ago to rewrite the PDs so it would be plan to see the differences in duties and responsibilities between the 13s and the 14s. My Colleague left about 6 months ago and I was asked to take over his duties and responsibilities and have done so for the past 6 mounts as a 13. My question is based on fairness. When I inquire about the 14 position. I am told that grade and promotions are frozen through this fiscal year. Do I have any recourse to try to get the promotion? Thanks.

Currently Im a gs 8 non supervisor preforming all my required duties in addition to all the duties of a vacant gs 11supervisor and a gs11 non supervisor position for over a year with out a temporary appointment. On avarage working 24 to 48 hrs of overtime a pay period,no end in sight. How can I be compensated for filling these positions?

While your agency could recommend you for a quality step increase or a cash award for your exceptional performance, theres no other way that you could be compensated.

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Handling weapons incorrectlyordangerously.

Getting promotion/demotion procedures wrong.

Making Boot camp either more extreme or much milder than it really is. Its not unrelenting torture, but its not summer camp, either. Depicting ordinary Boot Camp as if it were Special Forces Training, or vice versa.

Making the military justice system appear far more brutal (e.g. having a company commander summarily execute insufficiently enthusiastic soldiers at whim without any pretension to justice) or ineffectual (e.g. characters openly disobeying orders or insulting superiors to their faces and getting no more than a slap on the wrist) than it is.

Having norules against fraternization.

Depictingethnic minoritiesorwomenas accepted members of the military in roles that would not have been open to them in the storys regional or temporal setting (when they are notpassingas ethnic-majority ormale).

Failing to understand the basic organisational setup of the Department of Defense and the roles and functions of its various leaders and component organizations (e.g. jointness and collaboration at the top is unheard of: the military services are fighting their own separate wars and the service chiefs report directly to no one but the President). Though this changes depending on the era (and depending on which nation youre talking about). In World War 2, for instance, the Department of Defense had not yet been established, and the branches of the U.S. military were more independent than they are today.

Beingunjustifiably useless. When not justplain evil.

At military funerals, confusing athree-volley salute

with a21-Gun Salute(generally a mistake indialogue). The former is done by a team of riflemen (ranging from three soldiers to nineteen, depending on the rank of the deceased), while the other is performed by artillery pieces (guns in military parlance) and is reserved for presidents funerals.

There can be various reasons for this. Sometimes mistakes are made intentionally in order to facilitate the storytelling medium. Most often, though, Hollywood simply doesnt know or care about the particulars of the military.

This should probably not be applied to stories set in entirely imaginary cultures, unless they show something utterly implausible, or out of keeping with whats seen in the rest of the culture (eg a supposed libertarian democracy that treats its soldiers more callously than the World War II Red Army, or a culture that is meant to be very hierarchical and repressive having armed forces that are veryMildly Military).

Most current and former members of the military find this more funny than annoying, and military films that make countless errors are still more popular with members of the military than with the general public.

It should also be noted that since media portrayal tends to influence public perception, there are afew myths many people believe about the military thanks to movies.

Related toHollywood TacticsandMildly Military. Subtropes includeThe Squadette. Often averted by works that areBacked by the Pentagon.

Since military customs, rules, and traditions vary from country to country and in some cases, branch to branch within the same country, many times what is seen as wrong by an audience in one country is actually correct for the military force being shown (because of this, please check that any examples are actually incorrect for the military service depicted before adding them to the page.)

Universal for many anime that feature military ranks: Imperial Japan used a unified rank structure for officers, i.e. all branches of the military use the same rank names and structure (

for Second Lieutenant/Ensign/Pilot Officer,

for First Lieutenant/Lieutenant Junior Grade/Flying Officer,

for Captain/Lieutenant/Flight Lieutenant, and so on). This was changed after World War II (JSDF naval, army, and air force ranks use different names and kanji), but it can still cause problems for translators in trying to determine whether fictional military units (such as the UN Spacy/RDF below or the EFSF of

) should go with a naval naming convention or an army naming convention, since Japanese creators seem to prefer the prewar rank structure.

calls Mio a Major (an Army/Air Force rank) in the subtitles. Its the right grade, but as a naval officer she should technically be a Lieutenant Commander. They also call Shirley a Lieutenant in episode 5, but since shes an officer in her countrys Army, she should technically be a Captain. What makes this error more unusual is that the subtitles correctly referred to her as a First Lieutenant in episode 3 (she was promoted off-screen between the two episodes). The actual dialogue averts this, since the characters use the all-forces rank structure of the Imperial Japanese forces (shousa being used to refer to both army majors and navy lieutenant commanders, for instance).

To add to the confusion, the Witches in Joint Fighter Wing holds TWO rank. One is for her native country and branch of service she originally is from, which should be addressed by whatever the appropriate title it is for the serving country/branch. And the other is for the League of Nations Air Force (LNAF), which is generally addressed in British Royal Air Force ranks. For example, in a drama CD, Barkhorn states that she is a Shousa (Major) in Karlsland Luftwaffe, but holds the rank of Taii (Captain/Flight Lieutenant) in 501st due to command structure and such.

is well known for beingBroad Strokesof any thing military. Its worth noting Section 9 in most incarnations is not actually a military unit but a special police squad, though Motoko Kusanagi herself is usually a serving JSDF major and Batou a retired Ranger.

(1995) film. During Major Kusanagis battle with the tank, just before the helicopter pilot covering her departs he says Over and out to her.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex

episode Jungle Cruise has Section 9 tracking down a serial killer who is implied to be an ex-US Navy SEAL. The dialogue mentions he was a petty officer (an enlisted rank) while his photo shows him wearing a very good officer uniform.

manga follows the established canon of Batou being a Ranger during his JSDF days, it nevertheless makes him a JMSDF Commander,

Also ironically making him outrank his own next CO by a full grade: just remember Motokos.

but the only Ranger unit in the modern JSDF, the Western Army Infantry Regiment, explicitly falls under a JGSDF command, even though its soldiers are essentially Marines.

, thanks to the experiences of writer and translator Moreno.

Happens during theMarine Corp graduation

when the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is not depicted properly. This isjustifiedas that symbol is a trademark of the USMC and the authors opt to not use the actual one in the comics.

Moreno also points out any flaw in the depiction of the military in the summary below each page. Such as DIs not being as touchy as depicted and etc.

In the ending credits of the second volume of

, the survivors of the attack on the Hellsing manor salute the dead at their funeral. Despite being a British organization, they use the American salute. An American-style salute given to Seras by the surviving Wild Geese in volume seven may or may not qualify – The Wild Geese are mercenaries, and said soldiers may have been trained to salute according to American traditions long before taking a job in England.

identifiesMauve ShirtLuke Walker in English dialog as a chief petty officer, but his bio in the opening credits gives his rank as sergeant. Every other character uses naval-style ranks, and no, the Japanese words for the ranks arent the same.

Questionable since its acallsign, but everyone refers to Yuuya Bridges asTop Gunas befitting his status as anAce Pilot. TheTop Gun

program is a US Navy outfit whereAviatorspractice dogfighting tactics against master pilots in Nevada and Southern California. Sounds fitting doesnt it? Unfortunately, Yuuya is in the US

The subtitles for the anime give the TSF pilots naval ranks, with Yuuya and his squadron members being said to be ensigns. Leaving aside that this seemingly underranks everyone in the main cast except Yuuya (who is a rookie, though a talented one, at the start of the series) and possibly Yui Takamura

) Takamura is probably not underranked for her age and time in grade, but probably

underranked for her responsibilities. Additionally, a war as long and bloody as the fight with the BETA has been would probably result in more rapid promotions for combat veterans like herselfdue to superior officers getting killed.

, hes (again) said to be in the Army and thus should be a second lieutenant. DittoRed Armyranks (the Soviet Union still existsin

): the Scarlet Twins should both be ranked junior lieutenant (

in Russian) rather than ensign, and Zhar Battalion CO Fikatsia Latrovas rank should be lieutenant colonel (

) rather than commander (which wasnt even a rank used in the Soviet

: the equivalent in the USSR and most ex-Soviet countries is captain 2nd rank). The titles are actually correct for the Japanese characters, however, as Imperial Japan also still exists due to theAlternate History.

), set duringThe American Civil War, occasionally shows American soldiers saluting French-style, or presenting arms in the French way.

comic had some very realistic depictions of the military, (you know, given the nature of

), but was also about a decade behind on a lot of the smaller details. He strived to keep up to date, but he was mostly writing with what he knew from his time in the Army.

: General Ross pretty much embodies theArmies Are EvilTrope in one man. It not only takes Artistic License but a

ofSuspension of Disbeliefon the part of Marvel fans to assume the U.S. Air Force wouldnt have court martialed him, reduced him in rank, and sentenced him to life in Leavenworth after the property damage and civilian casualties his obsession with the Hulk has caused.

For that matter, the military is rarely ever competent inMarvel Comicsat all, unless you count S.H.I.E.L.D. (who are competent whenNick Furyis running them and

Speaking of Fury, his rank is often given as Colonel while as Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. when in reality, hed probably at least be a General to command a military organization that large. Fixed in

S.H.I.E.L.D. isnt a military organization. Its aGovernment Agency of Fiction. Colonel isnt Furys rank within S.H.I.E.L.D., its his exit rank from the US Army.

Commented onIn-Universein the Kev miniseries of

. Kev, a black ops veteran for the British government, is headed to a booksigning by one of his buddies, and reads it to the others as they go, pointing out such details as a timeline that would have made him pass selection at the age of

, among others. When they met, the author cheerfully admits its all BS (except what he and the rest of the squad went through), since what the audience wants is fuckingRambo.

Beetle Baileyhas numerous examples.

The outdated uniforms, weapons, open-bay style barracks, etc. usually stand out to most, and nowadays Sgt. Snorkel would be NJPd and removed from command of Beetles platoon for striking a subordinate, if not outright put in the brig for how severely he beats him. Oddly enough, there

been a few strips where Snorkel is thrown in the brig with his stripes ripped off after he does something

stupid (like wreck General Halftracks car in a fit of rage) but thisonly lasts a day at most.

Almost everyone calls Beetle by his nickname (Sgt. Snorkel does almost exclusively). While not completely unheard of, its essentially his first name (he had the nickname prior to the service) and most nicknames a superior would call you would be something you earned in service. Gen. Halftrack and a few of the Lieutenants do occasionally call him Private Bailey, however.

: The saga of Wally Winkerbean saw military protocol and common sense sacrificed to theRule of Drama:

Wally was recalled to a full tour of active duty because he had been discharged

Not only does neither recalls nor AWOL charges work that way, but they simply couldve recalled Wally to ready status within eight years of his initial enlistment. A rule Wally shouldve known about if his recruiter was doing his job

During his tour in Afghanistan, Wallys unit was ambushed and he was considered Killed In Action as another body was identified as his.

At this time – during the post-9/11 second Gulf War, the Army simply would not declare a missing soldier KIA without DNA identification or other proof of death. Wally wouldve/shouldve been declared Missing In Action without that confirmation.

We find out that Wally was actually a Prisoner Of War, held by insurgents for over a decade.

His return home was largely ignored outside of his family and friends.

An American soldier held for over a decade as a POW would be an instant celebrity, with every media entity in existence looking for at least an interview.

On top of that, his actual return was basically Get released by insurgents via prisoner swap, fly back to America, get a physical at Walter Reed, get kicked to the curb.

The Veterans Administration would bend over backwards to give someone like Wally all the treatment he needed, for as long as he needed it.

And all of this is besides theDiabolus ex Machinaeffect on his personal life.

Wally and his new bride, Becky, had just adopted an Afghani girl war orphan when Wally was recalled/press ganged. And he was recalled before Becky finds out shes pregnant. When Wally returns, Becky had remarried to comic book shop owner John, his adopted daughter barely remembered him and his son, Wally Jr. didnt know him at all.

, in a fantasy sequence set on a British airbase, Mitty (Danny Kaye) addresses an RAF officer as Colonel. There is no such rank in the RAF; the equivalent rank is Group-Captain. Incidentally, the officer is wearing the uniform of an Air Vice-Marshal, equivalent to an Army Lieutanant-General, while Mitty, supposedly a Squadron-Leader, wears the uniform of a Group-Captain! Perhaps justified in that the protagonist is a daydreaming civilian whos obviously clueless about the subject.

movie, Colonel ONeil calls Kawalski, his second in command, Lieutenant. Not only that, hes credited as Lieutenant Kawalski in the credits. The problem? Hes wearing silver oak leaves throughout the entire movie, making him a

. While the films treatment of the military is far from accurate or flattering, thats actually a pretty easy mistake to make. After all, hes a

colonel. It can be presumed that Emmerich and Devlin were simply unaware that the appropriate abbreviation of the rank lieutenant colonel is not lieutenant but rather colonel. On the other hand, they did get a detail right that even some people in the

military forget: with the single exception of the sitting President, you do not salute civilians. After the final battle, the Abydonian boys salute ONeil. You can tell he wants to salute back, but instead he waits until his own men join in so he can salute

Many characters wear patches from every branch of the military

The most famous instance laughed at by real Navy pilots is the buzzing of the control tower. A real pilot doing this would be grounded (most likely permanently) and up on disciplinary charges. Thats an INCREDIBLY reckless and dangerous thing to do.

Any pilot/aviator who is described as playing by his own rules and disregarding authority would not be put in the seat of a multi-million dollar jet.

A pilot who turns in his wings is permanently disqualified from ever flying again.

Minor, but pilots (officers) would have their own private quarters for showering and not the open bay locker rooms shown in the movie.

Instances of 1st class petty officers in dress whites serving coffee to officers while underway onboard a carrier border between the strange and the ridiculous. One, wardroom personnel on cranking duty would be very junior personnel. Two, they would almost never be required to wear dress uniforms in such duties; since theyre working in the wardrooms and the galleys, theyd only get dirty for no good reason. Three, theyre serving coffee. Every Navy man from admiral on down knows to get his own goddamn coffee.

The Top Gun trophy is an admitted artistic license by the writers. As their technical consultant says on the special features documentary that if there really was a Top Gun trophy nobody would graduate because theyd all die trying to get it.

Tom Cruises character rides his motorcycle on base without wearing a helmet. No one on a military installation would get fifty feet like that without getting stopped. A pilot would be in special trouble; it takes a lot of money to train one, and the Navy (and Air Force) doesnt want to have wasted that money just because the pilot didnt want to wear a helmet.

One thing they notably did get right was at the insistence of the US Navy. Kelly McGillis character was originally supposed to be an enlisted sailor. The producers changed her to a civilian in order to secure the cooperation of the Navy in the making of the film, since as a commissioned officer Maverick wouldnt be remotely allowed to date her otherwise.

, a film starring Samuel L. Jackson, Connie Nielsen and John Travolta featured several errors, including:

A female soldier wearing a Ranger tab. There were no Ranger-qualified females at the time (or female Rangers, for that matter).

The rank of Samuel L. Jacksons character changed (up and down) depending on the scene.

Damon Wayans ismuch too young to have served in Vietnamin

, and also would been at least a colonel by the mid 90s, if not retired.

When Major Rane puts his Air Force uniform on, his U.S. lapel insignia not only are in the wrong location, but are the insignia used by enlisted personnel, not officers. Similarly, despite the character supposedly being a Vietnam War veteran, his uniform lacks the Vietnam Campaign Medal (an award given out to every single soldier who served in that war).

Master Sergeant Vohdens uniform has a Fifth Army patch on the right sleeve. A patch on the right sleeve indicates that the wearer served with that unit in combat during a previous war or campaign. The Fifth Army last served in battle during World War II. Vohden, as a returning Vietnam War veteran in 1973, would have been only a year or two old during World War II, if he had been born at all.

The hair of most of the military personnel shown in the film, including that of Major Rane and Master Sergeant Vohden, is too long for military standards.

features rather rotund actor Maury Chaykin as a sarcastic, back-talking sergeant who wanders through the entire movie with his uniform unbuttoned, his hair uncombed (and too long for the military), and generally looking like a slob. However, the higher-ranking General who assembled theragtag bunch of misfitsof which the sergeant was a member had handpicked them because hewanted their mission to fail.

Rafe wears an Eagle Squadron badge, as do the Spitfires. The squadron code RF is for No. 303 Squadron, which was a Polish unit – a very famous one at that. The only Hurricane seen in the film has the correct codes for an Eagle Squadron, XR-T for No. 71 Squadron.

Rafe claims that he was assigned to an RAF Eagle Squadron prior to American involvement by order of Jimmy Doolittle, but hes lying. In reality, active duty personnel could not be assigned to serve with a belligerent nation while the US was neutral. They would have to resign their USAAF commission, swear allegiance to the British Crown, and enlist in the RAF (usually via Canada). The problem is why Danny believed this excuse.

The Doolittle Raiders scene is how not to be the military.

The main sonar technician wears the crow of a Petty Officer but is addressed as Seaman Jones more than once. The proper forms of address would be either Petty Officer Jones or Petty Officer by those unfamiliar with his rate, or STS2 by those who know, by rate being vastly more likely. Possibly Jones either by superiors or less formally. Even odder is the fact that, in the book and the movie, hes supposed to be a Sonarman 2nd (later 1st) Class.

The film depicts the eponymous subs caterpillar propulsion system as a revolutionary technological advance because it is much quieter than a traditional screw-propeller system. The problem is that the loudest thing on a nuclear submarine, and thus the one most likely to be picked by opposing passive sonar systems, is the reactor. The reactors on Soviet subs were particularly loud as compared to those on American subs. So it really wouldnt matter how quiet the Red Octobers propulsion system is: as long as its being powered by a nuclear reactor, American subs would have been able to hear it. InReal Life, the real concern over stealthy (well, stealthier) submarines comes from an older technology: diesel-electrics. Since diesel-electric submarines only use their diesel motors when on the surface and rely solely on battery power, which is extremely quiet because there are no moving parts, when submerged, they are much stealthier than a nuclear submarine. They are also much slower when submerged and can only stay submerged for limited periods of time, which is why nuclear power has generally been considered a big advance.

This may or may not be true, but Ramius probably would not tell his officers that they are dismissed after eating a meal, since that would be insulting to a Soviet naval officer. Instead, he would say something like gentlemen officers, which would be a hint to get up and leave.

The officers of a Russian sub would probably not walk around in parade uniform all the time. In fact, they certainly

: when the sub is deployed, the regulations require

personnel on the boat, both the officers and the ratings, to wearthe same fatigues

, distinguished only by their position pip on the left shirt pocket.

The whole reason for Ramius to be dissatisfied with the Soviet system is pretty dumb as well. While the Soviet brass

more dismissive of their personnel than the US one, the nuclear submarine COs (moreover, a full captain, that is, a colonel equivalent, is a pretty high rank anyway) most emphatically

a resource they have had reserves of, and thus they were treated much more carefully than the other soldiers. Another matter is that he simply wouldnt be approved for the position had his superiors had even the slightest doubt in his loyalty. (The book explains this a bit better. While Ramius

irritated the Soviet Navy brass with criticisms of procedure to the point where hes unlikely to be promoted to admiral, his criticisms were all of operational matters, not politics: he was at least outwardly completely loyal to the Party until his wife died from a medical error and the doctor couldnt be prosecuteddue to his Party connections.)

, the ghost story is set on a submarine and an incredible amount of artistic license is taken with how roomy the submarine is. Few movies can accurately portray how cramped, crowded, and claustrophobic a submarine is, but this particular submarine is shown to have fairly large rooms, multiple decks, and corridors wide enough for two people to walk comfortably side by side. This was mainly done to allow characters enough room to wander off by themselves so that spooky events could ensue, also its much easier to film in a wider space. Both modern and World War II era submarines are so cramped that all off duty personnel are usually expected to be in their racks so as to stay out of the way of the people on duty. Only the largest boomers could even try to approach having this much space.

also on a WWII era submarine (TypeVI IcU-Boat in this case). The space is so cramped that officers having dinner are forced to stand up against the nearest bulkhead anytime someone needs to pass through.

, officer candidates continually refer to Gunnery Sergeant Foley as Sergeant. Navy OCS candidates refer to their Marine drill instructors as Sergeant Instructor (followed by proper rank and last name if referring to a specific instructor rather than the one yelling in your face). In addition, while the United States Army allows the use of Sergeant for any NCO from E-5 to E-8, Marine Corps etiquette insists on referring to non-commissioned officers by proper rank, and even though the Army doesnt require them to be called anything by sergeant, E-8s are often referred to as Master Sergeant anyway.

: As he is leaving after questioning his client, Tom Cruises Lt. Kaffee turns and says, Whatever happened to saluting an officer when he leaves the room? whereupon Dawson stands up and pointedly shoves his hands in his pockets. Great moment, great scene… except that Marines dont salute indoors, while Navy officers would not expect a salute indoors. (Specifically, in the Navy and USMC, covers (i.e. hats) are not to be worn indoors except for a few rare occasions…and in those branches, you are not supposed to salute without your cover. Therefore, there is a very small chance of saluting indoors for members of those branches of the US military.)

Dawson does finally manage to salute Kaffee (again, indoors) at the end of the film. At this point, he is a prisoner whose sentence includes discharge from the service; such individuals are not permitted to salute or return a salute.

The premise for the entire plot edges on the unfeasible, if only because the personnel details of a junior enlisted Marine would be so far below the paygrade of a full-bird colonel running an entire base that it wouldnt be worth his time and effort to get involved in them directly

theres a chain of command: the colonel commands the lieutenant colonels, who command the captains, who command the lieutenants, who command the non-commissioned officers. Its straightforward delegation

. Indeed, his insistence in getting involved in what should have been a very straightforward matter of discipline easily handled by subordinates is what ended up costing him his job and freedom.

Additionally, Lt. Kendrick admits on the stand that he had a subordinate punished by depriving him of food for a week. Hes not the one on trial, so nothing happens to him. In reality, he wouldve been immediately arrested and, probably, drummed out for violating the Marine code of conduct.

Crossing over withArtistic License Law, there is no such charge as conduct unbecoming a Marine. Conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman exists as UCMJ Article 133, but Kaffees clients are enlisted Marines and cant be charged with it.

was a bastion of reality in film, but Nick salutes his sergeant at Club Scum. He also has insanely long hair for a soldier fresh out of basic training.

, the Marines saluted officers while in Vietnam. This is a big no-no. You do no

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I have a Soldier that went to their PHA and mentioned they have knee pain. The Doc put them on a 89 day temp profile for the run with the 2.5 walk authorized. The SM did not want the profile. They are up for promotion and the unit will not let him take a PT test until after the 90 day recovery period.


It sounds like the unit is just trying to help the Soldier… why just take the walk and get a crappy score and probably not make points when getting a better PT score could give thenm the pointage they need? If you think about it, its kind of smart. Lets say they take the APFT and come out with a 180. They go to the board and get all thier points together. They have 500; points are at 620. A 300 APFT score gets them there. Now they have to wait for points to come down or try to gain those points somewhere else. 7 months later, points are still at 620, and they still havent reached that point.

Your Soldier might as well just suck it up and use this time for recovery and LEARNING. They can learn a lot about being a better NCO in that amount of time, and its always better to learn before and not during.

PS: It is right… if the Soldier takes an APFT and REALLY screws his knee up and FAILS, hell be out even longer. Everybody loves a hard-charger, but you have to be careful. If he didnt want a profile, he should have never gone to the doctor. They hand out profiles like candy.____________________________________________________

quote:A-41. Soldiers with temporary physical profiles must take a regular three event APFT after the profile has expired. Soldiers with temporary profiles of long duration (more than three months) may take an alternate aerobic event as determined by the commander with input from health-care personnel. Once the profile has been lifted, the Soldier must be given twice the length of the profile (not to exceed 90 days) to train for the regular three event APFT. If a regularly scheduled APFT occurs during the profile period, the Soldier should be given a mandatory make-up date for the APFT.

Yes, that is right. And apparantly your doc is sneaky; an 89 day profile is not a long duration profile. Your Soldier has to wait 6 months to take a record APFT … or convince the doc to shorten the profile.

As much of a pain in the ass it is, the soldier canNOT take arecordAPFT while on temp profile or recovery time. This is supposed to give the soldier time to heal and/or recover from their profile and work their way back to the way they were before the profile.

I have multiple soldiers in my company on profile recovery right now that keep pestering me for a record APFT, but I cannot give it to them per TC 3-22.20 Appendix A, Chap A-41.

The most dangerous thing in the world is a second lieutenant with a map and a compass.


All the soldier has to do is tear up the profile. A profile is just a recommendation to the command that so and so is not to take an APFT. Also, since you said that the walk is authorized during the apft, even if he does the walk, he will have more than 180 points for promotion. For promotion purposes, the p/u and s/u even are added up, then divided by 2. That result will give you your run percentage, and then you add up all three numbers and you have your promotion apft score. 100+100/2=100. 100+100+100=300. Maxed apft for promotion only.

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Except that profiles are put into e-Profile now, so tearing it up doesnt eliminate it from e-P and when the commander runs the profile report, he will still show up on profile.



Even still, the commander can call the soldier into his office and question he/she about it and the soldier can tell him that he refused the profile.

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Even still, the commander can call the soldier into his office and question he/she about it and the soldier can tell him that he refused the profile.

No offense, SGT, but the TC still says you cannot take an APFT while on temp profile or recovery. The only way you can is to write/type a memo up stating the SM knows the effects of failing while on recovery will be held accountable as if not on profile or recovery and have the SM sign it.

But even then, you cannot upload that APFT into DTMS where all of our training, APFT, weapons qualifications, profiles, etc. are uploaded by the training NCO/clerk. DTMS willlet you input an APFT while on temp profile or during the recovery. DTMS will not you let date an APFT during that time either, even if youre uploading that APFT after the recovery but using a date during the recovery time. So either way, its wrong to give the soldier aAPFT while on temp profile or recovery. They can take aAPFT while on temp profile and recovery all day everyday, however.

The most dangerous thing in the world is a second lieutenant with a map and a compass.


I do not understand why the soldier is even making this a big deal. Maybe they want to make it SEEM like they are upset with not being able to take the APFT?

What im saying is, the soldier went to the doc and said they have a problem(knee) and when they get an answer for their problem(profile/recovery) they get upset and do not want the doctors advice?..

Then tell me again why did they even go to the doctor in the first place? What did the soldier want to happen? If you are hurt, the doctor will fix you and recovery may be part of it.

I see people all the time go to the doc because they are sick, and then decide that they know more than the doctor and not take their meds. Makes zero sense to me.

What im saying is, the soldier went to the doc for a problem and now it has to be fixed. It may be hard sitting around but that is part of an injury.

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